altec a7 vs klipschorn

Clear editor. By clicking Subscribe, I agree to receive exclusive offers & promotions, news & reviews, and personalized tips for buying and selling on Reverb. I just got hold (next week) of some ALK B X-overs. Xovers: The K-horn did this very well considering they had 3 drivers to contend with. The "little" A8 is a sleeper. 2.8k. Al, Did you ever plot an Altec 808 in a K-400? I know that the new 2004's are rated at having a 450Hz crossover at a 6db slope, but previously, the "accepted" value was 400Hz or a bit lower like 375Hz. What is the amplification used for Amphion and how do they sound? I have had my Khorns since 1982, and I'm still experimenting. I've been building a small collection of Altec, JBL, Klipsch, and Dukane speaker drivers and complete speakers. wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of Powered with Mc240 or audio refinement SS amp. Display as a link instead, http://archives.telex.com/archives/EV/Speakers/EDS/Sentry III Series II EDS.pdf, http://www.leesound.com/bw_photos/page4.htm, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. $1700 Firm takes all. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Looks like maybe 1940's vintage 2A3 tubes, too. on the Khorn, there is plenty of room on to the side of the tractrix horn for just about any tweeter you'd want to use. dkalsi They are HUGE and so is their sound. What they share is their horn design and their efficiency. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. The Beyma CP-25 is reputed to be a hands-down improvement over the stock EV T-35 tweeter. i have a set put away, i havent brought them out in a long long time. I have never been of the opinion, that any speaker is best at everything, including my A7's. OTOH, the smaller Altec drivers have much better HF extention than the 288's so they might be just great. Changing either one is vertually impossible without a total redesign! Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex combo, where the rear radiation of the cone attempts to put out as much sound as the front horn, which, of course, it can't. Makes this a great hobby. The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. By absorbers & diffusers -- or at least a few wall hangings and What are the physical dimmensions for the horn. I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . The original KHorns I most recently sold to a friend in southern Illinois, who is ecstatic about them. This article was originally published in audioXpress, September 2020. Even our host has spoken at length about horn shout on this very forum. and get rid of my large directs radiator subs, for an all-horn system top to bottom! Got rid of them quickly after I got a pair of 846A Valencias. You can build better new for under $700 a pair plus rational-size DIY cabs. :yes: http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/91402/1318610.aspx, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. All except for the part about dealing with the shortcomings of horn shout, which is a problem that cannot be solved. You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various herita the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. Your previous content has been restored. i'm currently using the one built as a drop in replacement for LaScala. Furthermore, most of the graphs I've seen done on Khorns don't have extended highs or the flattest frequency response. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by sansuisammy, Feb 19, 2010. WebFind many great new & used options and get the best deals for Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets at the best online prices at eBay! Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex co I have both 811 and 511 horns and also K-400. Given that he did, I thought he might want to know that as big of hammer that the Khorn is, there are in fact, bigger hammers out there. It's fine when when within the scope of purchase, but when brought up all the time, and recommended for consideration when thousands over budget, multiple friends have indicated in passing that excessive Klipsch shilling is almost as bad as the Bose bashing. 1) Timbre shifts due to SPL polar control issues vs. frequency - with particular emphasis on both vertical and horizontal polar patterns that are bandpassed due to loss of polar control. exactly. Thats why the Altec / Klipsch combo works best Now whether that is something I have accepted and learned to live with over time or just naturally prefer I cant say, but I am fond of it. This website and its contents are copyright 2020 KCK Media Corp. All rights reserved. I agree that the Khorns are good speakers, but I wonder if some of you are hearing the same 19s that I am hearings. would love to hear it. I was first exposed to Altec speakers, haunting a HiFi store since before I could legally drive. the Amazon Associates Program via amazon.com. i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundiment As someone else said, I'd be happy with either of them. It takes me about a month of really careful listening and comparison to really get over this novelty effect and come to an understanding of what each pair of speakers really sounds like. ok .. point taken .. whaddabout the EV 350t biradial ..?? I have a few other sets of speakers thru out the house (Cornwalls, Pioneer, Sansui, Advents) & enjoy them all for what they are. So much of your preference depends on your listening habits, the kind of music you prefer, your room, electronics, etc. The 19s go beyond 20k with the original diapgragms in them. Not my intent at all. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. The pair of tractrix horns, built by forum friend, just fit inside the top hat. The sound is very good. It would have to be mounted externally. Although I have had Khorns sound good Well said Gary. Very objective reply. tc Happy to say more about the Jubs guys. Did he say why (in detail)? I've used tractrix mid horn replacements in my vintage Khorns and now in my LaScalas. Look man, I hate to break it to you but all horns shout. Hell I'd love to have a pair of each. two way - Jubilee. On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Guys, The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a However- I know you'll enjoy the process of getting a new pair of these legendary speakers! In my experience, the Model 19 is preferable to either Klipsch speaker I owned. I just got a pair of 19's after years of looking and they are just great. I do NOT recommend that combination. In listening to the A7 in one corner, and the Khorn in the other, I felt the Khorn was warmer and brassier, while the A7 was colder. You cannot paste images directly. Owned and used a pair of 1974 Cornwalls for a decade. The classic Altec and JBL 2-way horn systems also crossed-over low, generally at either 500 or 800hz. The difference between A5 and A7 is the HF horn: the former uses one of the multi cells, the latter the sectoral type horn. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. For two rather i'd suggest taking a look at Dave's fastlane audio website. Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. he builds a couple of different size tractrix horns. Good condition items function properly but may exhibit some wear and tear. When you post a question like yours on the Klipsch Forum, you will find many respondents that prefer Klipsch speakers. Artto and Cask, if you have not already done so. Quote. $12,000), the finish DOES matter to a significant degree. I had to "eq" the tar out of it just to get it to go flat up to 7500 Hz where I crossed it over to the tweeter. to my ears the tractrix mid horns have a more open sound. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. bookshelves or whatever to break up reflections. []. I really don't think its as cut and dry as some of you guys say and out of the two systems, if anyone is a limitied compromise, I really feel its the Khorn. Take heart, there will soon be an answer to the WAF and the horn upgrade! Many may know that I've been building for about 35 years. Posted February 9, 2005. Clear editor. glad to hear you are enjoying the Altecs. By reputation alone, I would certainly consider a pair of Klipsch Jubilie. Your link has been automatically embedded. For the Belle you can do better. What driver would you recommend for the 511B horn? sweet. DIY Corner Horns,McIntosh C-26,McIntosh 2505,Micro-Seiki DD-40 TT with Grado reference master,Pioneer RT-909 reel to reel. Blister8160 he has both & can give an honest assessment of the differences. BUT, the model 19s are great full range speakers and technically they extend lower and higher than the khorn. This item is sold As-Described and cannot be returned unless it arrives in a condition different from how it was described or photographed. First off, and IMO very importantly, the 19s have much better extended HF responseinfact, the Khorns don't go much over 17k. The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency projection over the A7-8, but both are less sensitive and capable of slightly less maximum acoustic output than the A5X. June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. Spec sheets are not as helpful as they sometimes seem. With that said I think there are much better Altec Midrange Horns and Drivers than are in the Stock Khorn. Display as a link instead, Secondly, the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. The driver on my 511B horn is the Altec 808-8a CD. Been using 511b/902-16a on top of 75' Cornwall bins. Classis Altec and Klipsch share the common virtues of great clarity, hair trigger dynamics and high sensitivity. These were Klipschorns, Jubilees and LaScalas. It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. I tested them using some Altec CDs and also K-55 and Selenium D-250X. No for the reason above. I have owned all the Heritage series except the Bella's & the Chorus, In my listening room (without good corners & several other undesirable architectural traits, the Jubs have given me the best performance. They can be improved by modifications to a completely superior level. ). [] Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y] Oops, looks like you forgot something. Upload or insert images from URL. On the Altec Lansing forum, it may be the opposite. Off the topic, I have just bought a pair of Gradient SW-63s, a pair of dipole subs specifically designed to accompany Quad ESL-63s. WebSet of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . and have owned Cornwall, Choruses, and Fortes. They are small compared to an A7 or an A5 and they consequently give up LF performance as small vented boxes. Upload or insert images from URL. wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of speaker is necessarily better, but would say that the speakers all are different. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. Thank you for your input, Daddy Dee, I'll go with the new Khorns. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by SixCats!, Dec 20, 2006. I would stick with full fledged horns. Clear editor. I can't listen to the Klipsch for very long periods of time on SS. As everyone says, a lot depends on the room, especially with Khorns. The Altec Lansing A2 'Voice of the Theatre' loudspeaker combines two 210 low-frequency cabinets with four 515E drivers, and one 1005B horn with two 288-16K high-frequency compression drivers - a theater classic! By Paste as plain text instead, Thus even Altecs and JBLs that used direct-radiating woofers had much of the midrange horn-loaded. Paste as plain text instead, Intriguing, Daddy Dee, but I think (since the wife is just a little tired of my projects) I'll go with what we already planned on which is a new pair of Klipschorns.unless you think getting an older pair of Khorns and modding it like you did with the Tractrix is really the way to go? Display as a link instead, Since I am almost 70 now, I thought I better do it now,, tomorrow is always an unknown [8-)] especially at my age. I like hustling up nice horns at a good price and I'm really less concerned about the specific brand. Just something different often sounds better at first. It's futile. Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? That is why so many "tweakers' swap them out for Altec, JBL or other drivers. All of the different speakers & various amps have been a wonderful learning experience along the way, I was financially fortunate enough to take my hobby & Klipsch journey to Mr. Pauls final creation,. Best Offer: Discussion in 'Speakers' started by Coolhandjjl, Jun 4, 2010. Here's the 1953 plans. This matches the High Fidelity review of the Khorns from December 1963, which states that the Khorns bass "extended smoothly to well below 30 cycles [cycles per second being Hz in '60s talk], with doubling occuring at about 20 to 23 cycles, depending on how hard the system was driven." Its all about compromise because nothing does it all well. Add to cart. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Fits standard Altec Drivers 1.4 3-bolt Dimensions 37 1/2" W x 19" H x 31" D Weight 30.5 lbs each unpacked. I have Model 19s in the downstairs kitchen, and modded 63 Khorns in the man cave, and they both are outstanding. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. Klipsch was a brilliant engineer, but I think the midrange driver, K 55 V, he used in the heritage line was not of exceptionally high quality. The Aristocrat is a contemporary of the Klipsch "Rebel/Shorthorn". I have a pair of corner horn speakers that I built myself. Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. $178.24 for 24 months with PayPal Credit* Buy It Now. The Altec Nineteen is the best all in one box-turnkey Altec. Compared to previous Altecs it has extended bass and treble response. As for tonal balance and voicing, well that varies Just a side comment. though there are other issues to resolve, a new pair of Jubilee's might actually cost you less than a new pair of Khorns (and perhaps sound better) Might at least be worth investigating. how hard is it to fix or replace the horn on a 19? The 2019 Klipschorn also offers its own combination of those qualities, one that delights and surprises in some respects (uncolored vocals, surprisingly good spatial performance, much better senses of touch and impact than the average loudspeaker) while disappointing in others (less than the tightest bottom octaves, a trace of grain under strain). Just sent an email to my friend. Their top of the line residential unit at the time was the Laguna, with two 803B LF drivers and a 511B horn with 802D HF driver. They are even more efficient than the Altec A7's, which have a maximum efficiency of 103dB. especially with the wife tired of projects, it's a can't go wrong option! You can post now and register later. By definition, then, the one on the left is an A7 type. You'll have to listen for yourself and see what "does it" for you. Price: US $4,000.00. I still think the best driver for the Khorn is the later K55V or K55M. I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . Which is why, I have a preference for running multiple systems at the same time, When I am running my A7's with tube amplification, I am also running two other systems with conventional designed tower speakers, powered by solid state amps. Altec 19s win for me. I have owned both and I felt the 19's had a flatter response with a more realistic sound. Very much a turnkey speaker system. 290 driver: 116 dB SPL. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. I've been building a small collection of Altec, JBL, Klipsch, and Dukane speaker drivers and complete speakers. Like a Klipschorn 20 great HF watts is all you will ever need. Much better bass than the A7 cabinet. I have Khorns, 19's, A-7s, and larger VOTTs. Posted January 20, 2005. Have fun with it. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. well, the Khorns and LaScalas both use the venerable K-401 horn. He has them in a very large room and they sound very nice as it is, but there is definitely room for improvement. A7s or Model 19's, both sound mushy compared to Khorns. You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various heritage models, chiefly the Klipschorn. Interesting. While the K77 does not extend as far as the aforementioned tweeters, it is a little more toned down/mellower by comparison? Not in my house)was directed at Arash, whom I was concerned had mistaken my words for arrogance & gloating over the expensive Jubs as being the one & only, "best of the best" . 5) The Altec A-7s sound much like the much bigger Altecs used with the magnetic stereo widescreen movies of the late '50s and the '60s, except that the bigger ones had more authority and more bass. In any case, you will want to experiment with In my personal opinion the K-horn is , as I ca. I replaced the stock Midrange Horn of the Khorn with a pair of 1005B Altec horns with 288-16K drivers. Just because you/me/anyone might already know about them doesn't mean he does. ALTEC 604-HPLN (High Power Less Network) had 421 8 woofer LF + 16 HF diaphragm, so the. i have these .. i don't view them as overly bright but then You can post now and register later. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be? (e.g., check the vertical polar pattern on the Iwata profile horn that you propose, not just the horizontal pattern), and (You must log in or sign up to reply here. List price was $599; list price of the A7 was $299.40. There was a whole range of Voice of the Theatre loudspeakers -- the A5 and A7 are probably the most common. You may want to slack off a little, so your positive comments regain an appropriate level of credence. One nice thing about this dilemma is that if you buy used speakers of this quality at a reasonable price, you can live with them for a few months or years and get most or all of your money out of them when you sell them. In other words, they are never going to sound like A7's or K-horns. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. WebPassive crossovers built into the horn boxes, not sure if these are Altec. Yeh. For those with much mor eknowledge than I, what are the sound differences? Sorry for that , but I cant agree . I hope you are aware the A7 is an industrial looking box intended to be custom finished for residential use. Powered by Invision Community. I personally don't care for the Altec horns. They just sound "off" and I dunno how else to describe it. I would much sooner go with an EV or JBL, b I am interested in mating my K55M to an Altec 511 but have been having trouble finding them. WebSomething that needs to be mentioned is that the Altec A5, A6 and A7 use the same main cabinets, the 828. On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: On 1/20/2005 11:02:47 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. I could see the term being used to loosely describe a horns sound signature, in the same manner as I ascribe to "forward" as also describing an efficient, horn loaded system. Upload or insert images from URL. Display as a link instead, Of couse, I am wasting my breath on a Klispch forum typing thishaha. Thank you, man! [:-*] It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. Pasted as rich text. It measures 53 high, 31 wide, and 28 deep. Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? And in the Cornwall, a full-range domestic loudspeaker that is well regarded, a direct radiator, ported bass is used. Today, the A7 is one of the most sought-after speakers for home audio in Japan, in part because real estate is so expensive in Japan that to be able to say you It will! Be sure to try several listening locations. "The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself!". ). for using as a mid-range horn 511 is better but in a two-way like M19 811 sounds better because the smaller horn pronounces higher frequency better than 511, use some bitumen as dampening material outside of 511 and it'll sound more open with no honkiness and ringing. Some call them plug uglies, but I could care less when I am listening, for me its all about the reproduction of music. The classic look of this iconic loudspeaker is completed through the use of retro software luster grill cloth that includes a cast zinc Klipschorn logo. I would like to try a K-55/511b combo running them down to 400 Hz. 5) The Altec A-7s sound much like the much bigger Altecs used with the magnetic stereo widescreen movies of the late '50s and the '60s, except that the bigger 19 thread, []. Sounds like you have found them underwhelming. Affiliate programs and Altec horns most certainly shout, just like any other, perhaps even more so. Anyone want to swap there Jub's for Altec 19's? Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Item Information. Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala - Vinnie - High Efficiency Speaker Asylum Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala Posted by Vinnie (A) on November 12, 2009 at 17:50:19 Wondering if anyone has ever had the oppurtunity to hear these two classic speakers side by side? 811 is 800Hz, 511 is 500Hz, 311 is 300Hz. Fast transients, no power compression, amazing detail and dynamics, vs. mush for reflex..yuck. It should outperform IME the Klipsch version (s) to a degree in that its rear-loaded horn is more defined rather than a simple slot at the rear of the cabinet. I have owned Cornwalls and Klipschorns and presently have a pair of Altec Lansing Model 19s. The Altecs haved dynamics coupled with an effortlessness that's essentially unmatched by anything else even close to reasonably sized or priced. Does it have to do with the dispersion properties of the horns? I would like to get one of these bass cabinets, mount a 511B both 811 and 511 sound far better than K-400. Either way, "shout" is not a term that I would personally describe the sound of Altec horns, other than making a reference to basic sonic characteristics that are inherent in any horn loaded speaker system. Your previous content has been restored. In a graph some of us have seen, they appear to be down 5dB at about 34 Hz, with a narrow, anomalous little dip at 60 Hz in the Klipsch anechoic chamber, but the chamber only has sidewall support out to about 4 feet. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. could you say more about your experience with jubs? Sectoral horns only available for the A7's. I currently own both. They both do differnt things well. I have to say that if I put the amount of money into the Altecs that I have in Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. too different .. to compare the KH drops ton's of mid detail the 19 present's eloquently the KH produces bass performance the 19 It won't interfere with the woofer at all. " My experiences have found them a little too bright and crisp. Your purchases help youth music programs get the gear they need to make music. The difference is likely lower distortion of the Khorn. I say LaScala, or Klipschorn because you say 400 horn. Your link has been automatically embedded. Enjoy my friends, now back to our Altec mdl. I have consistently found that I 'like" whatever is new in my listening room. That would be like saying that you disagree that we are on planet earth. Sorry. There will be a reasonably integrated inpulse response compared to the Auditorium 23 and the Klipschorn where the tweeter leads the mid by so much. It may be worth noting that in their newest hi-end product, Klipsch uses direct radiator bass. Forum Policies, Rules, and Terms of Service. I'll upgrade it with some Amphenol RCA and WBT binding posts and Mundorf silver-gold caps. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. Naturally, keep all The crossovers are ALK designed.The speakers are currently equipped with K-401 horns and K-55 drivers.I am thinking about switching to Altec 811B horns and 808 8A drivers.Can I do this without modifing the crossovers? But the RFs cross at 2000hz and even higher. What do you recommend? Ok, so how different would the K-401 compare to the Tactrix? You cannot paste images directly. I can't wait to hear this setup! DM Quote CaptnBob The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency The Jubs are Fabulous & perform as most other owners have described far more eloquent then I can. How about a University SA-H? In at least one pitting of the Altec A7 against the Khorn, the Khorn had considerably better very high frequency response, even though both did not extend much beyond 15K Hz. Just a fun debate for me. I've only heard a modded model 19's and they were amazing. You cannot paste images directly. You're in denial. Please check the fields highlighted in red. You need the Altec 511b horn instead. Others have different opinions that are just as valid. heard them, though. I want him to try them out. Your link has been automatically embedded. i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundimental to others. ). Thanks for the info on your Klipschorn modded with tactrix mids. Hey! YMMV. http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=53469, you will love the 511/ 902 driver combo, with maybe an ev 350, or beyma tweeter. Therefore, of course I agree. And that was with the K-55 driver mated to it. I have become increasing aware of some really nice looking vintage Altec Lansing speakers that are horn loaded. technical data seem to indicate the Jubs would be better. I know Al K. is using them on his Belles for sure. The box defines the woofer horn, so the only part left "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?" ..not around here they ain't! [] But saying that you disagree with my statement makes no sense. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. I built him a set of MTM's and delivered them for Christmas. I have never heard the 19 pitted against the Khorn, but I agree that it is a very good speaker. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. Upload or insert images from URL. My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section. Pasted as rich text. Watch this gear and we'll notify you if it becomes available again. In picking out a speaker, I would rank extended listening as much more important than spec sheets, or even independent testing. Paste as plain text instead, The Klipschorn is all horn-loaded (the Heresy is not in the woofer), weighs 175 lbs (each) and stands 51 inches tall. Many Altec sheets used to say their tweeters went out to 22K Hz, but I have never seen this confirmed by other testers. Quote Chris A Heritage Members 9.7k Location: Arlington, Texas, USA Condition: Used Used. First let me say my post ( Mdl 19 is a two way, perhaps we should be comparing it to the Klipsch 1 watched in the last 24 hours. He was thrilled. Had he not made his comment about buying a new pair of Khorns, I would have not said anything. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. Sound 80 mix-masters could achieve 110+dB at the console. he also builds one for Khorn with the option of a replacement Khorn tophat motorboard if desired. Arash another thing about Altecs, its hard to find amps that will make them sound their best. Your previous content has been restored. Klipsch may have gotten the 34 Hz figure from that test, knowing that they would go considerably lower in many rooms. Q-man and Rick are both excellent resources on this subject. sounding Altec A7 Voice of the Theater VOTT speakers for PA / band use or LARGE audiophile home audio system.

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